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TOPIC: Harley Balic

Tragic Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #1

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news.com.au article
I have previously passed an opinion that drafting 18 year olds carried risk. The article lends weight to that argument.
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jezzaargh Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #2

jezzaargh
I think the problem is that "support for player welfare" is a stated aim of some programs and initiatives, but those motivations are overtaken by the needs to (i) generate onfield success for clubs/onfield excitement for the league and (ii) maximise revenue for clubs and the league.

Illicit Drugs Policy and Concussion Protocols being Exhibits A and B here.
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Noddy Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #3

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It’s an interesting one, whether an employer of anyone becoming aware an employee has a drug problem, deliberating about whether to call the parents? I’d say not.

Shifting the onus of responsibility of behaviour, conduct, action or non-action seems to be a thing now.
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Straddo Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #4

Straddo
There's a lot of complex issues at play here, and it seems to me that the AFL is happy to maintain the status quo with players drug issues being kept from key club personnel, let alone communicating back to families.

Think about it from a workplace safety perspective, clubs are able to plausibly deny knowledge of key workplace risks in ways that would be unthinkable in other industries. The argument seems to be that well, getting on the gear is pretty common so we just accept a level of usage which means that we don't lose any star players, but if new guys come in and get consumed and end up dropping out then that's a small price to pay. They're not losing fans and dollars over those kids.
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Raglan Matt Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #5

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If, as a player (employee) you have a drug problem, then it is up to you to work out a solution to that problem.

As an employer, (AwFL, club.) if you know your employee (player) has a problem with drugs, and you try to hide that problem instead of trying to help find a solution to the problem, you are morally and ethically corrupt.
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Quasimodo Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #6

Quasimodo
In many industries the employee has their contract of employment terminated and sorting out their addiction is their problem.
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hypen Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #7

hypen
It's a sickening tragedy. And maybe no one person or organisation alone is to blame for this.

The AFL can't fix this scourge.

I hate drugs. Hate them.
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jezzaargh Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #8

jezzaargh
the worst drug of all, in terms of the social and economic toll, is alcohol by a country mile.
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Raglan Matt Harley Balic 1 week 4 days ago #9

Raglan Matt
Exactly, Quasi, but the awfl? No, they go to extreme lengths of denial to try and hide the fact their industry has a problem.
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shane Harley Balic 1 week 3 days ago #10

shane
The club didn't prioritise people during that period.

The industry looks after you according to how good you were at football, but the effort needs to go into all the people who don't quite make it. They sell some of these players a dream from the age of 12, and then throw them away if they don't meet unnecessarily high standards of a coach on a power kick.

When the AFL asks kids to invest their childhood in training to be a professional footballer, they have an obligation to pay them back when it doesn't work out, and to assist in making sure they have a life to go onto.
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Quasimodo Harley Balic 1 week 3 days ago #11

Quasimodo
AFL is sport. Sport is mass entertainment. Mass entertainment has always been high risk high reward for the performers whether it is music movies soccer motor racing AFL cricket pro wrestling.

These industries chew up and spit out people. You make it or you are a statistic. People go in with their eyes open or they are dumb. For every Taylor Swift there is an Amy Winehouse for every Meryl Streep there is an Amanda Byrne for every Ronaldo there is a Maradonna. Unfortunately for every Pavilich there is a Balic. Some make it some don’t.
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Noddy Harley Balic 1 week 3 days ago #12

Noddy
Anyone who take illicit drugs feeds crime that is drug related , whether that be break and enters, assaults of people including your Pop/Nan/Dad/Mum relatives and friends who are victims of this crime. If there was no demand ….
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shane Harley Balic 1 week 3 days ago #13

shane
They go in as kids. They are young teenagers when the recruitment process starts. The AFL pours money into directly encouraging teenagers to devote their time to playing football, over and above a recreational activity. Kids with a bit of talent are lured into the system, because recruitment is a numbers game.

My point is that, if you focus on trying to solve drugs as a problem, you will get nowhere. It's an easy way for the industry to throw their hands up in the air and avoid being accountable.

There are things the AFL can control, one of those things is how it treats the people who don't quite make it, or that are have trouble coping with the world they've found themselves in.

They are there to dance for our amusement, it's doesn't need to be a brutal test of mental strength.
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Tragic Harley Balic 1 week 3 days ago #14

Tragic
Geez I got old.

"Are you not ashamed of heaping up the greatest amount of money and honor and reputation, and caring so little about wisdom and truth and the greatest improvement of the soul?"

Socrates
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