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TOPIC: Teams: Freo v Sydney

darthmarto Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #71

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Bloody Roger Hayden.
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391 Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #72

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PC is a term people use when they hide what they really want to say because they're concerned people might judge them for what they really think (and the values that underpin it).

PC implies we can't tell it like it is because the activists, greenies, some other lefto mob, etc will arc up.

This is not a matter of what is "PC" and it is certainly not a game.

Ever taken a sick day Drubbing when you really could have gone to work? Did your coworkers make race an issue when you did?

I hope in a couple of years Josh is playing every game and Sutcliffe is hitting targets 8 of 10.
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dddocker Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #73

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Culture surely does not allow you (should not allow you) to disrespect your team mates in any professional team sport. Culture should never be an excuse for bad behaviour.

Would you support a Catholic player refusing to play on Good Friday and thumbing his nose at his team mates? Or a Jewish player refusing to play on the Sabbath? You wouldn't I'm sure.
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391 Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #74

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Or a Muslim playing following ramadan? = Houli

Or Michael Johnson flying over late to join team, surely that is disruptive and disrespectful... ?

Some AFL players choose to go to the birth of their child and miss games - is that ok in your value system?

Where is the line?

What you're assuming is:

- what we have been told is 100% accurate; and

- the cultural consequences of flying to Melbs were not a worse overall outcome for Josh. I've seen blokes walk off site for a funeral and lose 100k+ jobs in the process when management told them they couldn't attend.

As part of his development and progression Josh will have to improve in this area but right now in this moment is not where/when you cut him off.
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Gerovich Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #75

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Actually DDD those scenarios are foreseeable and I would expect that the player and club would have had that conversation prior to the player being listed. I would back the player if he was employed on that understanding.

As for Simpson, whilst the exact nature of personal issues may not be foreseeable it is we all know that these issues come up in peoples lives. The club should look to support the kid because:
(i) we have a young kid seemingly (I don't know for sure) having difficulties with playing responsibilities and dealing with his personal circumstances, and helping him is the right thing to do for one of our own: or
(ii) we have invested a first round draft pick and place on the playing squad and he's an asset, potentially a significant asset, that is too early to write off.
Either way the lad will have to stand up if he is to stay with the club, but perhaps we can help him to his feet?
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Drubbing Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #76

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I was pretty clear on understanding the support players get. Some of the responses come back as a bit paternalistic themselves, something Shane accuses clubs of being. I think in this delicate area of management, where everyone feels the need to be PC, often you're damned if you do or don't, as a footy club.

As for the religious thing, that is not an equivalent comparison. It hasn't occurred yet to my knowledge, and if it did, it would morel likely be brought up and discussed well beforehand. Not after a no show over an airport intercom.
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shane Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #77

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Most of us come from a culture that has been born out of a design to run the British Empire as efficiently as possible. We value a core of education that allow us to keep records and do book keeping, we value schedules and a hierarchy where orders given by our superiors are followed without needing to know why.

This is how we've wired our brains, so it's very hard to understand a different way. Similarly, it's very hard for someone who's brain has been wired another way to understand our way.

But understanding it can only come after you accept that people are different and your way isn't the only way, nor is it a better way. It's just different. It might be someone from a different ethnic culture, it might just be a different generation but the same management concepts come into play.

If you imagine that the players are wooden pegs and a clyb's way of dealing with them is a round hole. The people who went to Hale are nice and round and fit straight through. Some are a bit rough and need a bit of refinement before you can get them through.

But when you come across a square peg and your only way of dealing with players is a round hole, you try and reshape them into a boy who went to Hale, attempting to take off all the bits that don't fit your view of how a person should be until they fit your hole.

Now, if good pegs are hard to come by, if everyone is fighting over the roundest pegs and the shape of the peg has no relationship to their potential output then learning to manage pegs of all shapes, without wasting energy on conformity, will give you a huge advantage over your competition.

You've got a fixed number of resources in an AFL team. They are locked in at the start of each season and transfer of assets is expensive and carries a deal of risk. If you're not able to get the most out of each of your resources then then you're failing as a management team and need to change the way you are operating.

Complaining that someone doesn't fit in with the way things are done is inefficient and a poor way of running an organisation.
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Raglan Matt Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #78

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There have been players in AFL and other sports over the last few years who have missed games or retired due to depression and opposition and media have been asked not to sledge them, teams were told not to sledge the Bombers over the drugs issue, Bashar Houli over his religious beliefs and other personal problems have seen media and opposition "respect the players privacy", but when it comes to a young fella from Yalgoo who is trying to make massive changes to his lifestyle and fit them in around his cultural requirements it is open slather on him and the club that is trying to help him.

People ask why is Josh Simpson's case different. It is not, the way he is perceived and treated, because of who he is, is what is different. Let the club and player deal with it out of the spotlight, it will be resolved much quicker that way.
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Gerovich Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #79

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OK Shane. I've got you pegged.
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Noddy Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #80

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I suggest if you are getting 90 percent effort from 98 percent of your resources you aren't doing too badly managing things. You can lead a horse to water.........

There are plenty of examples of where no matter our much effort was expended the result doesn't come. It's a football club not the Buddhist society and you need 22 reading from the same book each week.
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north Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #81

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Ben Cousins went to Wesley, but I have always thought of him as more hole than peg.
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hypen Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #82

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I am sure Fremantle think they are doing every thing they can to help Simpson.

But until such time as there are suitably qualified people in football clubs to address Shane's previous point, they will be doing just that.

Trying hard.
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rocky333 Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #83

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I always thought it was a football club not a nursery for troubled youth
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shane Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 2 weeks ago #84

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It's not a nursery. The troubled youth have something we want.
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