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TOPIC: Teams: Freo v Sydney

Drubbing Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #43

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However you frame it, it's not a good look for either party. The usual hamfisted media work from Bond too.
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Corporal Agarn Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #44

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I like it. Chris "hamfist" Bond.
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bellythebest Simpson 10 years 1 week ago #45

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Great insight by the boss in the after game presser.
I just hope Josh can stick around and doesn't get disheartened. I just wish he was a couple of foot taller.
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Bizkit Re: Simpson 10 years 1 week ago #46

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So the whole Simpson thing happened because Josh was dropped? He earnt himself a spot last week but was dropped anyway, I understand his frustration in not wanting to go to Sydney to watch everyone else play from the sidelines.
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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shane Re: Simpson 10 years 1 week ago #47

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He was dropped in it.
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docked Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #48

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Whatever the reason for being dropped, no player gets to say they refuse to get on the plane, if that's truly what he did. I hope he learns and changes his attitude, because that's just not on.
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Bizkit Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #49

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The Freo PR team have made quite a 180 on their usual give nothing away to the media stance. Normally you don't hear a thing about internal goings on and it's all kept in house but this issue has seen several different versions of what's happened made public.

Now the conflicting messages of 'we're here to support Josh through this tough time and get him back playing' to throwing him under the bus with 'he threw a hissy fit and we're making it very public that we're punishing and shaming him'.

Has no one thought this situation through?
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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shane Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #50

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I very much doubt it.

For people who spend an inordinate amount of time throwing around modern management buzzwords, their style of managing people seems to revolve around 19th century paternalistic disciplinary models.

If they want to maximise Simpson's output then forcing him to conform to their behavior models is a fools game. I going to assume he's not stupid and so would have realised that not getting on the plane was not in his best interests in so far as his relationship with the club was concerned. So there must have been a greater pull in the other direction. The club not being able to see that is poor management, spitting the dummy and going off message in a press conference because a player didn't follow your rules lacks professionalism.

Now, as a coach, you can puff your chest out and declare that he has to fall into line if he wants to play AFL football bla de bla bla but there comes a point where you've got to be smarter than that and do some actual managing. Understand what it is that an individual needs to do their best work. AFL are highly skilled, talented individuals, they're not unskilled labor. You need to tap into their talent, not bludgeon them into following a set of pre-designed patterns of behavior. It's out dated thinking.

In this case, perhaps not putting the young bloke with young kids on a plane at Easter, to not play football after he's just had the best day of his career, would have been the intelligent way to manage the him. Then when it went pear shaped, perhaps not calling him a sook would have been a better way to handle damage control.

Mistakes were made but Simpson's job is playing football. Lyon's job is to get Simpson to play the best football he can. Which one of them made a mistakw in their field of profession.
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freoboy49 Support the person, deal with the situation 10 years 1 week ago #51

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At the post SCG press conference, Ross was asked about Josh Simpson. After a slight deflection, he then met the question head on. Fascinating to hear him open up on this in quite some detail, describing cultural, health, family and attitudinal issues affecting Josh.
Admitted that Josh had, this week, 'taken his bat and ball and gone home', but understood that this is a complex situation - he understood it, but didn't excuse it.
Not without sympathy for the kid, but ready to deal with that particular situation.
Great insight into the Lyon philosophy. I suspect the story will get quite a run in the local and football media.
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Drubbing Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #52

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Yeah, nah.

If your scenario is the case Shane, then Simpson shouldn't play football and go find another job. Getting on a plane every fortnight is part of the deal, if you're picked and needed. Young dad or not. I'd venture he was very much the sort of player we missed today, so he's let the whole team down. Publicly.

The only way to manage that in a football club, is tell him that. What are they supposed to do 'Aww nuts, we can't play Pav this week, it's his son's first birthday…"?

If they didn't see a viable spot for him this week, then, yes they could have managed him as you suggest. Support him etc. But he was picked to travel.
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Leed Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #53

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Gee, a few apologists for Josh Simpson here. Given the public nature of 'missing the flight' and ongoing media speculation what do people expect the club to do in the circumstances? Say nothing? Does honesty hurt that much or do we trot about on eggshells indulging individuals and their whims? It sounds as though a great deal of support has been provided and will continue to be provided. At the end of the day it is Simpson who will make his destiny, no-one else.
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shane Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #54

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Fremantle picked him for his ability to play football. Not his availability to travel regularly.

At a guess I'd say if he were going to play football the situation would have been different. He obviously had an issue which was a bit bigger than Lyon's 'dropped his bundle' comment but that's not really the heart of the point.

If you're playing a game of who's in the right then Simpson has presumably breached his terms of employment but that doesn't mean fault can't lie with the management decision that led to it happening.

Ross Lyon's comments suggest that Simpson's problem stem from his background not being that of the well disciplined private schoolboy. Aside from the cultural bias on display, it shows a lack of flexibility in managing people. Which means wasted resources.
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Leed Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #55

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Shane, I don't believe Lyon's comments expressed that at all. To me he said that Simpson's life has many aspects to it, significantly different to others coming from a more mainstream / regular background. Perhaps Lyon struggled to remain 'politically correct', whatever that ridiculous term means. Maybe he could have put it better, maybe he could have said it worse. He was put on the spot and spoke forthrightly.
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Drubbing Re: Teams: Freo v Sydney 10 years 1 week ago #56

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That's silly Shane. They picked him to fly - and probably get a game. Judging by the outcome, I'd say he'd have had the vest off before half time.

The club has been used to handling cultural issues, guys fitting in, and being away from tight knit family groups. I won't pretend to know all the pressures they have surrounding that. Walters is one example where whatever they've said and done to ensure that, has worked. Clubs support them, because they know from experience it can be hard for them.

While there's no one size fit all model, they are still a professional sports team. Young blokes, even from remote WA, would have a fair idea what the commitment required is to play the game at national level.

Part of that commitment is getting on a bloody plane to get a chance at a game. Not give Hamfist Bond an opportunity to arse up the excuse why you didn't.
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